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, but the way they're doing it, i have a big worry about how it will affect the economy. and to hear the cbo which i call the congressional bull crap office with their numbers say it will help the economy and they say it will help the economy and help the deficit, i don't think so. >> hard for me to believe that, too, charlie. every time the cbo scores something and all of these things where we spend trillions of dollar, somehow we save money at the end, just baffles me. >> like obamacare. >> exactly. >> i'm trying to think of an anti-union angle here. i mean, i want to correct ben on one thing. he made the point before that immigration is basically to to meet demand for labor. not to drive down the cost of labor. so -- >> among other things. >> what's odd about this is that we don't have a demand for hard labor. and they're still thinking about bringing people in. and this is what i don't get from the left. they say they're for the poor and everything, to give benefits out. and basically help the poor. this doesn't help the poor, this hurts the poor. it drives down the base wage rate. >> it
it is going to affect the economy. to hear the cbo, congressional bull crap office. [ laughter ] >> they say it's going to help the economy and help the deficit, i don't think so. >> charles: it's hard for me to believe that. cbo scores something and all these things we spend trillions of dollars but somehow we save money. >> it's like obamacare. i'm trying to think of an anti-union angle here. >> i mean i want to correct ben on one thing. he made the point that immigration is basically to meet demand for labor, not to drive down the cost of labor. what is about this, we don't have a demand for labor, for hard labor. they are still bringing people in. i don't get it from the left. they say they are for the poor and everything to get benefits out basically help the poor, it doesn't help the poor, it hurts the poor. it drives down wage rates. >> actually, if you look at the cbo report wages will drop slightly for lower income americans and higher for middle, middle group that won't have a negative wage impact. i have the union argument. if you unionize mcdonald's prices will go up if the wages
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